Salt Dragon

inconceivablyme:

saltdragon:

Replace ‘goy’ with ‘Jew’ and it becomes an antisemitic slur, replace it with ‘black’ or ‘gay’ and it becomes racist/homophobic one. Replace ‘goy’ with cornflakes, and now you’re insulting cereal. Pour goyim into a bowl with milk, and it’s possible you are a giant and an anthropophage. Close a rock over the entrance of your cave to hold the goyim inside with your flock. If one of theme tells you their name is some variation on “No One,” eat him immediately.

It’s nothing to do with what the term means, it’s that you’re using it as an insult; you’re implying that it’s okay to disparage someone because of their religion.

How is that in any way different to antisemitism?

"Jew" isn’t an insult, if you make a comment about not wanting to spend a lot of money and someone (with a somewhat disgusted look) replies that "you sound like a Jew!", that’s antisemitism.

"Black" isn’t an insult, if you make a comment about how you like rap music and someone (with a somewhat disgusted look) replies that "you sound like you’re black!", that’s racism.

"Man" isn’t an insult, if you make a comment about how you dislike shopping and someone replies "of course you don’t - you’re a man", that sexism.

I don’t understand what part you’re not getting about this. If you’re insulting *anyone* on the basis of their religion, that’s no better than antisemitism.

you are playing a semantic game. i am trying to keep my friends, my family, my community safe by helping other jews to recognize antisemitic red flags. go away.

Don’t talk to people who want to play digressive semantic games when you are talking about issues that affect your safety, your family’s safety, and your community’s safety. It is a particularly convoluted way of saying “I don’t value Jewish life,” and someone who says this is not someone you can speak to.

Replace ‘goy’ with ‘Jew’ and it becomes an antisemitic slur, replace it with ‘black’ or ‘gay’ and it becomes racist/homophobic one. Replace ‘goy’ with cornflakes, and now you’re insulting cereal. Pour goyim into a bowl with milk, and it’s possible you are a giant and an anthropophage. Close a rock over the entrance of your cave to hold the goyim inside with your flock. If one of theme tells you their name is some variation on “No One,” eat him immediately.

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Maybe one of these days I’ll finish my thesis and share some of Vigée Le Brun’s actual art.

centuriespast:

Richard Cosway, R.A. (1742-1821), English          
"Portrait of a Lady", Lady Elizabeth Foster, later Duchess of Devonshire, 18th century         
Oil on canvas    
La Salle University Art Museum


The most fashionable woman in London at this time was the Duchess of Devonshire. I had often heard of her beauty and her influence in politics, and when I called upon her she greeted me in the most affable style. She might then have been about forty-five years old. Her features were very regular, but I was not struck by her beauty. Her complexion was too high, and ill-fortune had ordained that one of her eyes would be blind. As at this period the hair was worn over the forehead, she concealed the eye under a bunch of curls, but that was insufficient to hide such a serious defect. The Duchess of Devonshire was of fair size, her degree of stoutness being exactly appropriate to her age, and her unconstrained manner became her exceedingly well.

Elisabeth Vigée Le Brun, Souvenirs, trans. (and very badly abridged by) Lionel Strachey, 1903 (originally 1837, best edition 1869, best english edition 1989) 186.

centuriespast:

Richard Cosway, R.A. (1742-1821), English          

"Portrait of a Lady", Lady Elizabeth Foster, later Duchess of Devonshire, 18th century         

Oil on canvas    

La Salle University Art Museum

The most fashionable woman in London at this time was the Duchess of Devonshire. I had often heard of her beauty and her influence in politics, and when I called upon her she greeted me in the most affable style. She might then have been about forty-five years old. Her features were very regular, but I was not struck by her beauty. Her complexion was too high, and ill-fortune had ordained that one of her eyes would be blind. As at this period the hair was worn over the forehead, she concealed the eye under a bunch of curls, but that was insufficient to hide such a serious defect. The Duchess of Devonshire was of fair size, her degree of stoutness being exactly appropriate to her age, and her unconstrained manner became her exceedingly well.

Elisabeth Vigée Le Brun, Souvenirs, trans. (and very badly abridged by) Lionel Strachey, 1903 (originally 1837, best edition 1869, best english edition 1989) 186.

If you feel compelled to make Diaspora Jews pass a political purity test before you can find the energy to care about violence against us, our families, our children(!), not only are your politics bankrupt, you are morally bankrupt. Do something about your moral deficiency and maybe then we can talk. If you need explanations, maybe then it will be worth it to us to give them.

"Denounce the killing of Palestinian children, renounce Zionism, and then I will consider your concerns about the threats and violence leveled against Diaspora Jews" is code for "I don’t value Jewish life." Someone who makes these demands is simply not someone you can speak with.

inconceivablyme:

inconceivablyme:

saltdragon:

Someone who needs you to tell them that you think there is no such thing as a humane war or a moral army, that the killing of children no matter their ethnicity or religion, no matter their proximity to combatants, is wrong, someone who needs you to…

"Someone who needs you to tell them [seemingly obvious things]… …is not someone you can converse with in good faith"

If that’s literally not what you’re taking about, why did you literally say (type) it?

All your post is doing is promoting the view that there are people ‘beyond help’ and that if someone doesn’t already know something seemingly obvious (or hold what, from your subjective vantage point, appears to be an objectively ‘right’ moral view), then you should be avoiding interaction with them.

That just leads to people becoming more entrenched in their views and facilitates more hostility - do you think Netanyahu refusing to negotiate with the PA after they legitimised Hamas in any way helped the situation? (in case it’s not evident, it didn’t, hence the current situation in Israel/Gaza)

You sound like a goy. People who ask us to denounce violence against Palestinian children and to reject Zionism before being willing to listen to our concerns about antisemitic violence against ourselves and our families are not doing it because they are ignorant (though ignorance plays a role, just not in the way you seem to think), they are doing it because they are antisemites who don’t value Jewish lives.

As far as educating the ignorant on this issue, my original post implicitly plays this role.